20Sep/1024
More on the War on Christmas
You know how the other day I joked about a movie about saving Christmas from those evil secularist atheist liberal wishy-washy bastards who want us all to say "Season's Greetings" instead of "THE LORD IS BORN" and all that? Well...
Poe's Law notwithstanding, I think this actually might be kosher, if you see what I mean. Nice to see that the War on Christmas isn't just a UK thing; nice to see the myth spreading far and wide.
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September 20th, 2010 - 18:35
Damn. It’s real: http://store.pureflix.com/
Everything about that trailer made me wince. Especially the tagline. Oh and the line about the entire world coming together
September 20th, 2010 - 21:23
Yes, ‘the entire world’ – because everyone lives in a Christian country…
September 20th, 2010 - 18:55
Brad Stine, who “stars” in the clip, is all too horribly real: –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSds4pDoHLU
September 20th, 2010 - 18:59
It seems not to be a Poe, more an American fundie thing. At least so sayeth PZ Myers. http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/war_on_christmas_already.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogs%2Fpharyngula+%28Pharyngula%29
September 20th, 2010 - 19:51
Ooooooo crikey… I’m finding myself increasingly paranoid about saying anything about religion lest it somehow be tracked back to me by the school, therefore I will simply observe, raise an eyebrow, Roger Moore style, and move on…
September 20th, 2010 - 20:13
Oh Wow.
September 20th, 2010 - 20:21
Looks like a pretty good comedy, that =P
I always thought that films like “The Grinch” have Christian vs Atheist/Non-Christian undertones – the whole “The Grinch doesn’t celebrate Christmas? Wow, what an evil person!” attitude that runs through the movie. It’s not just the Grinch though, most christmas movies are similar (even a Christmas Carol, in my opinion, is partly like that)
September 21st, 2010 - 10:46
i think the most egregious example (well, before this film anyway) is “christmas with the kranks” a film where the evil anti-christmas antagonists want to…(dramatic music) go away on holiday for the season! causing their neighbours to all conspire against them and make them put up decorations, buy gifts, and generally have a very narrowly defined “normal” christmas, beacuse if they didn’t then, well….something!
September 20th, 2010 - 20:44
I want to believe that film isn’t real, but deep down I just know it is and will probably be at a cinema near me soon, probably in the fun up to Christm… sorry I mean Winterval.
Scarily I reckon that many of the people who believe that the Evil Gay Socialist Politically Correct World Government are trying to ban Christmas probably have difficulty distinguishing fiction from reality and will point to this film as ‘proof.’
September 20th, 2010 - 22:03
Man, that just makes me want to kick, bite and scratch.
Interesting (if you’re me) difference between the Winterval myth in the UK and the US. In the US it tends to be aimed squarely at secularist weirdoes who want to eliminate all religious observance while cackling and making their fingers into a steeple.
In the UK it’s normally blamed on lefties and people who want to appease ‘other religions’ *ahem*muslims*foreigners*ahemhem*. There are occasional ‘Muslims don’t care’ stories, but mostly they play into the rubbish about Muslims taking over.
Ah, whatever. It’s still a load of old monkey cack.
September 20th, 2010 - 23:43
The War on Christmas (a fave of Bill O’Reilly for years), like the leftie media myth (big in the US under Reagan and picked up by Tebbitt et al), and many more originate in the US. Most UK Wingnut/Daily Mail talking points are just rehashed US talking points. A bit of google detective work can usually turn up the same points in the US a year or so before they turn up here.
September 21st, 2010 - 09:11
A little bit of cheese-and-onion sick just came up.
Said too much.
September 21st, 2010 - 10:56
It’s good that you season your sick though. Because sick can actually taste quite bad. Good work.
September 21st, 2010 - 10:35
Ah you know the build-up to Christmas has started when the season’s first ‘they’re trying to ban Christmas’ story comes out.
September 21st, 2010 - 10:36
@ 5cc: “In the US it tends to be aimed squarely at secularist weirdoes who want to eliminate all religious observance while cackling and making their fingers into a steeple.
In the UK it’s normally blamed on lefties and people who want to appease ‘other religions’ *ahem*muslims*foreigners*ahemhem*.”
I believe it was originally aimed at Jews, on both sides of the pond. To a certain extent I think the “secularists” of the US version are just a coded version of the same Jewish bogeymen, while the UK myth has evolved because Muslims are the scapegoat du jour.
September 21st, 2010 - 15:32
Now I look into it, you’re quite right. Looking at recent(ish) O’Reilly stuff made me forget the anti-semitic origin.
Funny to see how it’s developed on both sides of the Atlantic though.
September 21st, 2010 - 11:46
Horrific!
September 21st, 2010 - 12:30
I’m a militant Atheist and a loony-lefty and I bloody love Xmas! Seeing as virtually everything we do to celebrate it has nothing to do with religion, apart from the ‘birth of Jebus’ tacked onto Pagan stuff, I see no hypocrisy in enjoying a spiffing Winterval.
This vid is just another contemptuous part of the laughable anti-Atheist propaganda being bandied about; we all hate religion, we want to ban Xmas, Hitler was an Atheist (despite actually being a strict Catholic, etc.) and so on. For people who profess to believe in Loving Thy Neighbour and believing that God Is Love, there’s a curious amount of hating going on. I guess when your logic is skewed enough to believe that an invisible giant lives in the sky, it’s skewed enough to think that hate-mongering and lie-spreading is love and tolerance whilst exercising the right not to believe in a sky-fairy is dangerous hatred.
September 21st, 2010 - 15:24
It’s still not as horrific as Nick Griffin’s story of Christmas whilst doing a bad impression of a B-movie Bond villain.
September 21st, 2010 - 15:25
I have just Googled that. Oh… my… God…
September 21st, 2010 - 16:19
Ah the ‘Christmas is being banned’ brigade.
The thing I love about them is its almost sweet the way they desperately cling on the myth at all costs. I remember on a facebook group called ‘we will not change Christmas’ (or something) someone posting that every school in Derbyshire had been banned from producing a Nativity play. When I mentioned that I had googled Nativity plays and Derbyshire and come up with at least four examples of schools doing nativities, I was instantly told that I was sad for referencing people’s opinions on the internet instead of having one of my own.
September 21st, 2010 - 17:34
Nick M – the truth may come out but the believer will say ‘ah but is it really? I wonder…’
September 21st, 2010 - 19:22
Do you think that when they were casting ‘Mitch Bright’ they were going out of their way to find someone who looks and sounds like Alec Baldwin?
September 22nd, 2010 - 09:44
i like to think they started off by actually offering it to him and then just had to keep going down the list of baldwins till they found one that’d actually say yes to this.