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8Dec/096

Just say he’s wrong. Go on, say it

The Mail have drafted in Kwasi Kwarteng to write about Rod Liddle's load of racist claptrap. And instead of criticising him for getting everything entirely wrong, Kwasi decides that it's right for Liddle to say what he said:

You may not admire Mr Liddle's style of writing, nor agree with his views, but that does not mean that he should be sacked from the magazine for which he writes, as some have suggested. It is his job to provoke. And that is exactly what he has done.

Provoking,yes. But by saying stuff that isn't true. I don't mind people provoking by using facts and good knockabout arguments and humour, when required. But Liddle didn't use facts. He is either ignorant or a liar. I don't even care which, because it doesn't change what he said. What he said was bullshit. And yet Kwarteng ignores this entirely. He is either ignorant or has decided not to mention the factual errors in Liddle's account, preferring to state:

One controversial report conducted by Scotland Yard last year found that more than half of teen knife crime offences in the capital involve black suspects.
Small wonder, then, that two years ago the Commons home affairs committee warned of a 'serious crisis' among Britain's young community.
It's no use howling 'racism', this is a real problem confronting our society - and despite her politically correct posturing, Diane Abbott knows it.

Strange that Kwarteng couldn't be bothered to look at the actual detail of that report rather than the way the Mail - for it was they - reported it. Five Chinese Crackers, in a post which points out how Liddle's views are more extreme than those expressed by the BNP's Richard Barnbrook, points out:

Quite apart from the fact that Liddle included no data to support his assertion, I happen to know that in the three months to July 2008 black people under the age of 29 made up 239 of 741 people proceeded against for offences involving knives in London. Take that back to under 18, and you get 124. Not really most, huh? Looks like Liddle just repeated crap racist clichés about black people being responsible for most of the crime in London after all (until of course, he produces the evidence he based his assumptions on. I look forward to seeing how he worked out the ethnicity of those responsible for 'street crime').

Bizarrely, my source for the stats about black people not being the biggest group proceeded against knife crime in London comes from a Freedom of Information request. Carried out by the Daily Mail.

But this isn't about the facts. Kwarteng's piece does a couple of things that help the Mail: firstly, it backs up a journalist for using misleading polemic with no facts to back it up whatsoever, calling Liddle 'clumsy' rather than saying he may have been highly offensive and unpleasant; secondly, it points out the disproportionate level of black men involved with crime arrests (see comments) without ever bothering with the context of social or economic factors, which presumably don't exist. And then there's this:

When people from the West Indies first came to Britain in the late Forties, they were as law-abiding, and often as well-educated, as the indigenous population.

Ah, the 'indigenous population'. And the reply will come back: "Aha, but this is a black man saying this, therefore it can't be racist, can it?" - and it isn't. But the use of the term 'indigenous population' is one generally done by racists or those attempting to create a 'them and us' situation, particularly when discussing immigration. For Kwarteng to use it is, well let's use his own word, 'clumsy'. He goes on to blame the Left, of course, somehow, despite a lot of the criminals he complains about having grown up during Thatcher's time, but it's no surprise he should do that, because this

Kwasi Kwarteng is a former Conservative candidate

appears at the end of the story.

It's a neat piece for the Mail: it looks watertight and unassailable, because it's a member of the black community who's doing the finger-pointing. But I can't help wondering why Liddle's factual assertions, which were entirely wrong, weren't called out. Why not?

Still, I look forward to another article soon, in which a resident of an east London council estate tells Rod Liddle what life is like in his Wiltshire village, just guessing and making up stuff based on what they've heard from their mate down the pub, accusing the majority of people who live there of crimes based on their heritage. I'm sure that'll get published.

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  1. Good shout. There's another reason why the article is complete bollocks: it plays the freedom of speech card. Badly. In the wrong place. While no-one else is even playing cards.

    The idea that you can excuse an appalling piece of ill thought out racist drivel by saying "Ah you may not agree with what he says but he's perfectly entitled to say it" is, quite frankly, an act of indefensible twattery. You can say what you like, however retarded it is, but when other people call you out on it then you need to back your inane dribblings up with something that supports your argument otherwise everyone will think you're just a racist twat. Or Richard Littlejohn.

    Also hate the way the Mail seeks to defend Liddle's right to be an arse but seeks to deport those Muslim protestors who protested at the homecoming of servicemen. Freedom of speech…if you're white.

  2. Excellent stuff. The circle is squared, with a Mail article justifying the Liddle one by using what looks like a reference to the paper's own figures from an FoI request, which seem to have been elevated to the level of 'controversial report conducted by Scotland Yard last year'.

    And, of course, those FoI request results don't support what Rod Liddle said. Black people under the age of 18 made up only 124 out of 741 people proceeded against for knife crimes in the period in question. And that's before you separate out the girls.

  3. I'd also suggest that using Kwasi Kwarteng to provide the "Black voice" on this is suspect. Liddle's piece specifically targeted the afro-Caribbean community. Kwasi Kwarteng is second Generation Ghanaian.

  4. "Also hate the way the Mail seeks to defend Liddle's right to be an arse but seeks to deport those Muslim protestors who protested at the homecoming of servicemen. Freedom of speech…if you're white."
    If you are supporting Al Muhajiroun's right to hold a protest at a homecoming parade for British soldiers then you are brainless. Freedom of speech is one thing but public taunting and insults designed to enrage soldiers who have lost comrades are another.
    If Liddle was wrong with his stats then he should admit this and apologise.
    Al Muhajiroun lost their right to freedom of speech years ago and – if penal deportation still existed – would no doubt have been shipped out after their 911 celebrations.

  5. "it points out the disproportionate level of black men involved with crime without ever bothering with the context of social or economic factors, which presumably don't exist."
    As I pointed out on 5cc's, it doesn't say anything about black men involved with crime. All it tells us is how many black men the police think are involved in crime.

  6. Al Muhajiroun lost their right to freedom of speech years ago

    I should fucking well hope not, otherwise democracy is indeed well and truly shafted. Don't think I'm somehow defending their points of view: I'm not. They're cunts through and through. Anyone who would use their personal beliefs to massively oppress others is a grade-A bumwipe, but this still doesn't mean that we shouldn't let them say what they like. That's sort of the point really: Littlejohn is a wanker and can say what he likes. Choudhary is a wanker and can say what he likes. Jerry Falwell is a wanker and…well, you get the picture. The point is that they can and should be allowed to say whatever they want. They should all also be vigorously opposed and shown up to be the utter pissflaps they are. That is the true meaning of freedom of speech, not 'Oh he's really horrible, so he should be literally gagged'.

    Freedom of speech is one thing but public taunting and insults designed to enrage soldiers who have lost comrades are another.

    No, not really. Doing a Jan Moir and saying that someone died effectively because they were gay is pretty horrid. So is making massive, unwarranted and inaccurate assertions about race. So is heckling soldiers. The difference between these three examples is that the first two were made in national publications read by a very large readership and the last was carried out by a small group of hairy fucktards in Luton. Which one caused the most fuss in the national press? Clue: not the first two.


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