He makes the point that I've been trying to whittle away at for a while: ordinary debates on messageboards, even at the Mail as we saw earlier today with a balanced and interesting discussion on nurses, are largely untouched - unless there's a chance to attack Jock McSporran, and then the Mailites weigh in against NuLab in numbers. We saw earlier this week, when looking at a BBC Have Your (Reactionary) Say discussion on depression, that liberal and progressive views predominated.
But where things get very skewed is when there's any kind of discussion about immigration and/or race. What does this tell us - that there's a groundswell of opinion in one direction on the 'immigration debate'? That's certainly what a lot of people would like us to think. And those views are held by some people, as you can see when you put your gasmask on and enter the realms of evil, the Express messageboards. But is it representative of the public's opinions at large, or just evidence of a carefully orchestrated campaign to target debate and discussion about race and immigration, to skew the debate, to frame the debate in terms of another agenda? As Joe points out in his comment on my earlier post, it's not just national newspapers who are targeted - the opening-up of comments, forums and messageboards at regional papers around the country has provided another platform for views that previously would never be allowed to grace letters pages of the same publications. Is that a good thing or not?
Every week the Express asks a question about immigration. Every week the same people come lumbering out of their caves. Are they all doing it spontaneously, approving all anti-immigration posts and flaming anyone who dares contradict a single word they say? Is it organised or not? It's hard to find evidence. But take a look and see what you think.
Now, today the 'liberal-left' BBC have asked a question about immigration to mark the new 'points system'. The response is predictable, and ugly. These are the most popular posts.
Forget immigration control.
STOP all immigration until we sort ourselves out.
1 Solve the housing crisis,
2 Reform the benefits system,
3 Train our people in highly skilled proffesions,
4 Resolve transport issues,
5 Get our own people in work,
While there is still 1 able bodied person out of work, we do not need immigrants.
I think therefore I possibly, am
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'Get our own people in work'. Yuck. 'Our own people' is a truly vile and putrid term. Does he mean Brits or whites?
We are the laughing stock of the entire planet. All what our fore fathers fought for has been in vain, and given away. I'm disgusted.
steven morris, dorset, United Kingdom
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You are the laughing stock of the entire planet, pal. What did our forefathers fight for exactly? Starving Indians, killing millions? Raping Africa? Slavery? Or do you mean the Second World War? Hate to break this to you, but quite a lot of the soldiers who fought for 'us' weren't white. Or British.
A step in the right direction but 10 years too late!
This is the knee jerk reaction of a Government with no reflexes.
The UK is swamped with immigrants who have come here for an easy life.
I welcome all people who want to come here and work hard and join our culture. Hypocrites who come here to segregate themselves and try to domiate us with their culture should be stopped immediately as they create racial disharmony..
But Mr Brown, ..where are all the houses and infrastructure?!
[POLARIS69], Kent, United Kingdom
'Swamped with immigrants who have come here for an easy life' - source? Who is trying to 'domi(n)ate us with their culture'? I'm thinking we've moved onto slippery slopes here, a dig at Muslims perhaps?
Walter, Leeds “but understand that the overwhelming majority did not come here for handouts”
You of course are joking.
Yet another one sucked in by those 'in fear of their lives' hence feeling the need to pass numerous borders or hide in trucks just to get to the UK, the only place on earth where handouts are a plenty.
Beggars belief there are still some who can't see the wood for the benefits office.
The rest are here for rich pickings so cash can be sent back home.
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'The only place on earth' - Christ, the ignorance is unbelievable. Also a nice confusion between asylum-seekers/illegals and economic migrants. They're all out to con us! Things to remember: illegals can't claim benefits.
About time, but what about those immigrants from within the EU who are required by EU law to register in this country, but don't because no one bothers to check? There must be millions of them here.
McModerated Ms, London, US Minor Outlying Islands
'There must be millions of THEM here'. Where, in the Pacific, where you claim to be?
It may be a case of too little, too late. Unfortunately, the UK is already filled with the terrorists that immigrated when no one was paying attention or cared.
I do not expect that the BBC moderator will approve this comment because it is not what people want to hear. But, it remains the truth and it needs to be told.
Are you American or British? Or a Brit in America - in which case you're an immigrant? The UK is filled with 'terrorists'... Jesus wept. I'm beginning to despair for humanity.
It's no thanks to NuLabs disasterous gaffs and utterly pathetic lack of immigration control to please the EU empire which has brought this about. There are far too many immigrants in this country already. What we should be doing is removing those who are not entitled to be here or who don't wish to comply with our laws and our way of life. Genuine immigrants already comply with the law and make an effort. NuLab have failed miserably and their gestures don't fool me.
COCOtheClown AndJesterDarling, NuLab Circus Troop,10 Clowning Street, Londonabad, BBC Land, United Kingdom
Oh ha ha ha. So droll. But behind the laughter there's: 'What we should be doing is removing those who are not entitled to be here or who don't wish to comply with our laws and our way of life.' 'Our way of life'. Which is what exactly, slagging off foreigners? Seems to be BBC HYS people's way of life.
Are ministers now taking ideas from the BNP? Sounds like a good idea to me.
Robert Grant, Oviedo, Spain
Oh look, another expat complaining about immigration. It would be ironic if it weren't sickening. Oh yes, but nice white immigration's all right; it's those dirty brown folk we have to worry about.
The Labour Government have turned Great Britain in to a multi-cultural hell hole.
And on and on and on it goes, people in Qatar and Spain and the USA, expats complaining about immigrants, Brits complaining about immigrants, everyone complaining about immigrants, no-one seeing any balance, no-one trying to do anything other than spout hate. It's just a solid wall of hatred and venom, crushing any hope of a reasonable debate. What few voices of dissent there are don't reach the recommended pages because they don't have 50-100 mates pressing the approve button every time they see something that they vaguely find attacking NuLab/migrants. There are also posts praising the BNP - a clue to where the agenda for these messageboard missions come from?
I ask again: is this really what people think? Is it really what the majority think? All the time people are stating the BNP are gaining support (no), that NuLab are doomed (no) or even saying the Tories would change things (no). Where is it coming from? Is there really a movement against immigration, or is something else going on? But you can see why no-one bothers debating on HYS about immigration any more; every single attempt is a tsunami of bile and prejudice, a great mass of lies to kill off any chance of debate.
Phew, that was depressing.